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Posted - 2013.12.03 18:10:00 -
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50% RR is way too small and virus strength on a BS is a waste of a bonus IMO.
Drop the virus bonus and give it the same MJD bonus that marauders get and you're good. |

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Posted - 2013.12.03 19:13:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Leave the virus bonus. It doesn't need a MJD bonus with that super-low mass, either.
No ship "needs" a MJD bonus but this ship would be better with it.
Do we really want a third ship in the SoE line to be a code breaker and scanner?
In it's current for the ship is just a PVE boat. Anything with a rep range under 20km will not get used as logi unless you spider tanking and even then, other battle ships would do a better job.
Examples of good bonuses this ship could have: 1. Can use black ops jump portal 2. No recalibration after decloak 3. MJD reactivation reduction 4. Repair dron rep amount bonus 5. Smart bomb damage/range bonus |

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Posted - 2013.12.03 19:26:00 -
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Michael Harari wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:
In it's current for the ship is just a PVE boat. Anything with a rep range under 20km will not get used as logi unless you spider tanking and even then, other battle ships would do a better job.
What battleship has 10.5 highslots?
No ship in eve... But better does not mean more rep power.
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Posted - 2013.12.04 00:43:00 -
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GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:u know what.. **** it... if u want a ship in the theme of exploration to go alongside the astero and stratios then give it a jump drive and the ability to jump to covert cynos. that way it fills the ability to be a heavy ghost site runner without terrible navigation via gates.
itd be like a Blops light, introducing people that dont have a bs5 skill to black ops. No ability to bridge, just to jump. Unfortunately equipping it with a jump drive means high powered module repping goes out the window and gets large repping bonuses to logi drones
and ffs no covert ops cloak.
Okay a jump drive would be a nice addition to the ship but why do you say it wouldn't be able to use large reps?
If CCP gave the SoE BS a jump drive and then they increased the range on all large remote reps (needs increasing anyway), this ship might actually be useful. It would also make a lot of sence to give this rep ship a base maximum jump range of 10ly. |

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Posted - 2013.12.04 18:55:00 -
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Of course price is a factor in balance. Don't be so ignorant. |

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Posted - 2013.12.04 18:59:00 -
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So it's a ridiculous looking ship with ridiculous bonuses... At least you're consistent CCP 
Take the fins off the back, widen the fins on the side, move the ring a little closer to the middle. Job done! |

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Posted - 2013.12.04 19:02:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Of course price is a factor in balance. Don't be so ignorant. When has price ever stopped us from blobbing the ever living hell out of something overpowered? If price was no obstacle from massing titan fleets why would it be an issue on a billion isk BS hull?
Oh I get it... You're Intentionally being an idiot. |

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Posted - 2013.12.04 20:36:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Phoenix Jones wrote: We have enough cloaks. I don't see the real benefit or need for it. I'd love to hear the reason why besides (getting from point a to b in low/null).
Whats the upgrade reason for an explorer to jump into a battleship capable of it?
Getting from point A to B in null/low is precisely the reason why this ship needs a covert cloak. It is intended to be a exploration / support ship. Without a cloak there is no reason for anyone to fly these ships outside of high sec. All we are left with is the a logistics ship with a worse rep range that a T1 logistics frigate. Even if it had better range it's still just another logistics ship to add to the other 16 that already exist in game. The argument that this ship should not have a cloak is an arbitrary one. People said the original Stratios would be OP, so CCP changed it to reduce its damage capabilities. Why can't the same be done with a battle ship? If CCP reduced the number of turret slots (shouldn't have any to begin with) then the ship would be perfectly fine with a cloak. We would finally have a cloaky logistics ship with the added benefit of being able to dish-out okay drone damage (nowhere near as good as a domi). ... Instead we are going to sit here arguing, postion our stupid ideas for 150+ pages and when the ship finally gets released, it will be yet another uninspired, overpriced toy that brings nothing meaningful to EvE gameplay.
Pretty much sums the issue up.
Either it gets a cloak or CCP need to completely rethink the bonuses.
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Posted - 2013.12.05 08:34:00 -
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Give the Nestor a MJD spool up time reduction and a bonus to cloaked velocity.
Regarding the look/design of the ship, is there any chance we're going to see an alternative design?
I really don't like the front or the back of the ship. The ring on the front makes it look like a space station or some kind of detachable probe. The fins on the back make it look like a spaceship designed by a child who doesn't understand the concept of aerodynamics.
I realise there's a slim chance of the artist redoing his design out of professional pride but it would only take a few adjustments to turn this into a beautiful ship. |

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Posted - 2013.12.05 08:44:00 -
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Krimishkev wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Give the Nestor a MJD spool up time reduction and a bonus to cloaked velocity.
Regarding the look/design of the ship, is there any chance we're going to see an alternative design?
I really don't like the front or the back of the ship. The ring on the front makes it look like a space station or some kind of detachable probe. The fins on the back make it look like a spaceship designed by a child who doesn't understand the concept of aerodynamics.
I realise there's a slim chance of the artist redoing his design out of professional pride but it would only take a few adjustments to turn this into a beautiful ship. Aerodynamics don't matter in the vacuum of space, but the ship hull design makes absolutely no sense. Someone tried to be a little too creative me thinks. Kind of like the Celestis, just horrible, ugly ship.
That is exactly my point! |
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Posted - 2013.12.07 09:10:00 -
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Armour reps don't rep instantly either but is see what you're saying. |

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Posted - 2013.12.11 05:47:00 -
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Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:What battleship is able to travel safely anywhere BUT high sec? Oh yea none. That's why you have them brought out OR come out in a big gang. Doesn't need bastion, or covert ops. Do some of you honestly think before you post this stuff? Only thing that MIGHT be nice, but honestly isn't needed is allowing it to jump through cynos. It has enough bonuses, and as long as you are creative you will be able to find a few uses for the ship. Lay out is fine also. Leave her be. She already has an ungodly amount of bonuses and will be able to have a good role in PvE, WHs, exploring, and prob even PvP. Stop asking for more, if you aren't happen with it, don't fly it.
What other battleships have been designed as exploration ships? ... That's right, none!
You been posting weak arguments for 68 pages now, it's time to stop. An exploration ship needs to be able to travel from system to system in relative safety to do its job, so the Nestor needs some navigational bonus.
The ship wouldn't be OP with a covert cloak but if that is the worry, CCP could reduce the turret slots down to 3 or something. I think 90% of people in this thread would prefer that. |

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Posted - 2013.12.11 17:50:00 -
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote: stuff
This guy again...
I don't think you understand to concept of ballance. Perhaps you could just stop taking up half a page with your suggestions from now on and instead, use a a couple lines to post ways in which you would like this ship to be OP.
The last thing EvE needs is another dps platform.
Ps. And actually, EvE does have a form of pay no win using PLEX. |

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Posted - 2013.12.11 18:54:00 -
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Everyone is entitled to bad ideas I guess I guess I'm just living in the vain hope that CCP are going to listen to the reasonable ideas... |

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Posted - 2013.12.11 19:04:00 -
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Disciple Cax wrote:Quote:Everyone is entitled to bad ideas I guess Blink I guess I'm just living in the vain hope that CCP are going to listen to the reasonable ideas... I wouldn't listen to you if that was your attitude towards me.
That's probably because you're petty and small-minded.
I'm here to give feedback and argue my point. If CCP don't want to listen because I'm not being all sweetness and sunshine, that's there problem! |

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Posted - 2013.12.11 22:48:00 -
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Thaddeus Eggeras thinks everyone lives in null sec and just needs a ship to rat in one system... How cute :)
Really, carebears should stop posting.
Let's try and stay on topic shall we. |

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Posted - 2013.12.11 23:10:00 -
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Your talking rubbish and nothing you say has any relevance to me. Suggesting that this ship can be used as an exploration ship providing you have a carrier or a jump freighter is ridiculous.
Lets's agree to disagree from now on because people are just going around in circles with you. |

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Posted - 2013.12.14 09:53:00 -
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So? |

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Posted - 2014.01.08 23:42:00 -
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CCP rise, if you prove 90% if the people in this thread wong and the proposed nestor turns out to a worthwhile addition the the ships in eve, great but if you don't, I look forward to this ship being fixed/rebalanced inthe future. |

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Posted - 2014.01.13 21:26:00 -
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Is it better at PVE than the existing battleships in eve? No? Then the last thig we need is another dps platform design for level 4 mission farming.
I'm just going to come out and say it, only an idiot would design a exploration ship without either a cloak or some kind of navigational bonuse. |
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Posted - 2014.01.13 21:53:00 -
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HiddenPorpoise wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Is it better at PVE than the existing battleships in eve? No? Then the last thig we need is another dps platform design for level 4 mission farming.
I'm just going to come out and say it, only an idiot would design a exploration ship without either a cloak or some kind of navigational bonuse. I went to null for sites, it's tanker than a hyperion, has the output of a domi, can do its own scaning, and is built to work in small teams. If it had a cloak it would be un unstoppable monster, if it has a spotter it can go anywhere, and it does have navigation bonuses: 2.5 au warp and the align of a shield BC. It's the only battleship I've used that's light enough to do the MWD cloak trick.
The ship simply isn't needed. Most BS are capable of handling any site the a Nestor can and whe you need something better, we have the brand new bastion enabled marauders to aim for.
2.5 AU warp speed ain't worth ****! And if you have a spotter to check gate cameos for you, that spotter could also be in a covert ops the scan and run data/relic sites, making the ship and it's bonuses even more pointless. |

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Posted - 2014.01.13 22:01:00 -
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Divi Filus, a lot of people are saying that but CCP won't listen.
They should give it a covert cloak and remove the gun slots or reduce pg so a big tank and a full rack of turrets are not possible IMO.
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Posted - 2014.01.13 22:24:00 -
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I think the fear of giving a BS a cloak is that it will do too much dps and have too big a tank. Dropping the guns solves that issue while making it a viable exploration ship and a new type of cloaky logi.
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Posted - 2014.01.13 22:45:00 -
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I live in wormhole space and know all about cloaks my friend :)
The dps will always be an issue because you can simply get a friend in a smaller ship to point a target, and have the Nestor melt it when it gets a lock.
I agree that if the Nestor got a cloak it would be a good idea to give it a longer recalibration time that a cruiser. Between 8 and 10 seconds would do it. |

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Posted - 2014.01.14 00:00:00 -
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HiddenPorpoise wrote:If you give it a cloak it literally is a covert-ops logi and covert-ops battleship at the same time, neither of those things has been done for a variety of reasons and doing them at the same time would be broken more than I can state.
Use the ship on the test server, then complain.
You clearly haven't read anything I said above so I'll spell it out for you...
1. Remove some or all gun slots 2. Give the ship a covert cloak
1+2= A battle ship that can cloak but does the same dps as stratios or a cloaky T3.
And FYI I have tried it on sisi and it's as pointless as I thought it was. Not saying it isn't a good ship as a dps and tank platform, I'm saying it is a pointless ship that ads nothing new to the game. EVE does not need this ship!
Ps. There are cloaky logistic ships in game already. There is no cloaky BS for the reasons I explained in one of my last posts. Read up. |

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Posted - 2014.01.14 00:14:00 -
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Savira Terrant wrote:Please guys. Why do you start asking for a covert cloak and the RR bonuses? Just drop RR already and make this ship usable to support exploration. And yes if that means it will end up as a 2 billion (or whatever) non plus ultra anom and DED runner (which does not nessesarily mean most DPS), so be it.
Because we already have combat ships designed for exploration, so why do we need another.
What we do not have is a viable cloaky logistics ship. |

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Posted - 2014.01.14 08:37:00 -
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^ I like that senario. Maybe salvaging bonuses should should be added in place of the turret bonuses to make a nomadic Nestor fleet more viable... And a covert cloak of course  |

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Posted - 2014.01.17 07:50:00 -
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So it's gonna be even worse?  |

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Posted - 2014.01.17 17:48:00 -
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Look at I this way CCP Rise/Fozzie, for publicity sake, you can introduce the SOE BS by saying "Introdcuing the Nestor - it's like a weak dominix that has scanning bonuses"
Or you could say something like: "introducing the first covert ops battleship in new eden... The SOE Nestor".
Now which do you think is the most exciting and has the better chance of increasing/keeping subscriptions? |

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Posted - 2014.01.19 14:28:00 -
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Roy Alleyne wrote:I'm not even going to bother repeating myself on the cloak issue
It's funny how often people with no legitimate argument take this stance.
Just face it, your opinion is wrong and multiple people have already explained things that CCP could do to avoid a covert ops BS being OP... But you conviniently choose to ignore those suggestions because it harms your argument. |
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Posted - 2014.01.19 14:41:00 -
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I am disposable wrote:
Personally I think the third option + a general nerf to its tank + a removal of its RR bonus is what is needed to balance a cov ops cloak on it. With the inherently slow lock-on times of battleships this thing would be terrible at locking down targets coming out of cloak either way. Plus when a person takes an un-insurable 2+ bisk ship into PVP that ship should rock in my opinion.
The main bonus of this ship is its remote rep ability, so I'm not sure why some people are making the ridiculous suggestion of removing it.
If it had a covert cloak, removing/reducing the turret slots is the best option. |

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Posted - 2014.02.12 20:41:00 -
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Why are you guys acting like this is a logistics cruiser ballance thread?
Logistics are I vital part of any fleet. Part of being a good FC it making sure you can counter enemy logistics with good e-war and if you know the other side has overwhelming logistics, you simply don't take the fight if you are not willing to loose.
Perhaps guardians could do with a little Leeds scan res and sensor strength but that's about it.
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